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Tote vs fixed odds: which pays more, and when

Fixed odds lock your price in. The tote pays a share of a pool after the race. Here is how each works and when one beats the other.

Balance scale weighing a pool of coins against a locked betting ticket, comparing tote vs fixed odds

Key facts

  • Fixed odds: the price you take is the price you are paid, whatever happens to the market.
  • Tote: all bets go into a pool, a commission comes out, and the rest is shared between winning tickets. The dividend is final only after the race.
  • The tote shows approximate dividends before the jump; they can move a lot in the last minutes.
  • Exotics such as trifectas and first fours are tote bets, and flexi betting is a tote feature.
  • Neither is better every time: compare the fixed price with the likely tote dividend before you bet.

How fixed odds work

Fixed odds means the price is locked in when your bet is accepted. If you take $6.00 and the horse wins, you are paid $6.00 for every $1 even if it starts at $3.00. The bookmaker sets and moves prices to balance its book and keeps a margin built into every price. Fixed odds markets that open weeks ahead are futures, and most of them are All In.

How the tote works

The tote is a pool. Every bet on a race type, such as win or place, goes into one pool. The operator takes its commission out, and what is left is shared between the winning tickets in proportion to their stake. That share is the dividend.

Because the pool keeps growing until betting closes, the tote shows approximate dividends that change right up to the jump. The final dividend depends on how much was bet in total and how much was on the winner.

Tote vs fixed odds side by side

Fixed oddsTote
Price known when you betYesNo, only an estimate
Who sets the returnThe bookmakerThe pool and other punters
Late moneyDoes not change your betChanges the dividend
Exotics (trifecta, first four)RareStandard
Flexi bettingNoYes
Typical edgeMargin in every priceCommission taken from the pool

When fixed odds tend to pay more

Fixed odds are worth taking when you expect a runner to shorten: a horse with strong late support, or one that will be popular with casual punters on a big day. Locking in a longer price early protects you from a shrinking dividend.

When the tote tends to pay more

The tote can pay more on runners the public overlooks, because less money in the pool on your runner means a bigger share for you if it wins. Smaller meetings with thin pools are less predictable: one big late bet can move a dividend a long way in either direction.

Pundit tip: if your bookmaker shows both a fixed price and an approximate tote dividend, compare them in the last few minutes before the jump, not hours earlier.

Place bets, scratchings and the number of places

Tote place dividends come from the place pool, so they are often quite different from a fixed place price. The number of places paid also depends on starters: on the TAB, 8 or more starters pay three places and 5 to 7 starters pay two. A late scratching that drops a field from 8 to 7 removes the third place dividend. On fixed odds, a late scratching can also cut your price through a scratching deduction, which the deductions calculator works out, and a tie splits your payout under dead heat rules. The each way calculator shows what a place result returns.

Exotics are tote bets

Quinellas, exactas, trifectas and first fours are paid from their own tote pools, which is why flexi betting exists: you choose your outlay and collect that percentage of the dividend. Our boxed trifecta calculator and quinella calculator work out the cost and your flexi share. For big race days, see the Melbourne Cup betting guide, and for four winners in one bet, the quaddie guide. The dogs and the trots have their own tote pools: see greyhound betting and harness racing betting.

Frequently asked questions

What is the difference between fixed odds and tote?

With fixed odds, the bookmaker offers a price and you are paid at that price if you win. With the tote, all bets go into a pool, a commission is taken out and the rest is shared among winners, so the dividend is only known after the race.

Is it better to bet on the tote or fixed odds?

Neither is better every time. Fixed odds give certainty and are useful when you expect a horse to shorten. The tote can pay more on runners the public overlooks. Compare both before the jump if your bookmaker shows them.

How do tote odds work?

Tote odds are the pool divided by the money on each runner, after commission. Before the race the tote shows approximate dividends based on the money so far. The final dividend is set when betting closes and the result is official.

Why did my place bet pay less than the price I saw?

If you bet on the tote, the place dividend is set from the place pool after the race and can differ from the approximate figure you saw. If a horse is scratched late, fewer starters can also change how many places are paid.

Can I flexi a fixed odds bet?

No. Flexi is a tote feature for exotic bets, where you take a percentage of the dividend. Fixed odds bets are placed for a set stake at a set price.

Related reading

Sources

Official pages we relied on. If anything here has changed, tell us via the contact page and we fix it.

  1. TAB Help: What is Flexi Betting?
  2. TAB Help: What is NTD or No Third Dividend?